"Subversion" IS TOTALLY a trainwreck, YES. May be worth watching for that alone. Though probably not worth joining Netflix for (I mean, I watched it on Netflix, but I already had it...)
I don't think, as I said before, that Telford's characterization was really off for the backstory -- in fact it was probably pretty much on for early first season (with angst dialed up a notch, as always).
Speaking of angst, yes, I agree -- what fanfic likes to do, so I didn't really give it much of a thought until you asked about the characterization :)
she argued that it's not really slash (!) because there's too much plot relative to sex &/or romantic payoff.
While this made me laugh, I kind of see where she's coming from. I feel like when a fic is marked slash (or het, for that matter), the expectation is that it will be ALL romance/sex, ALL the time, and that the characters will have no interests other than the romance bit. It sort of irks me, especially on the AO3 -- I never know what to tag things. I'd probably categorize this one both M/M and gen if it were on AO3, because just M/M, I think, gives rise to a trope expectation that doesn't give sufficient weight to the amount of plot.
Agree (as does CWR) that Young/TJ makes no sense. I can sort of understand it in my head on TJ's side -- guy chasing her, insistently, won't take no for an answer, in a moment of weakness TJ gives in, comes to her senses a while later and gets the heck out -- anyone can make a mistake once, right? (I also sort of imagine TJ as a little too oversocialized, though maybe I'm projecting Ekaterin onto her -- I sort of picture Ekaterin as a lot like TJ only with darker hair.) Young, no idea. CWR thinks it might be that he wants the unattainable (he seems to be uninterested in TJ on the Destiny until another guy gets interested in her) which also would explain why he keeps being interested in Rush.
FOD!Young does get over the top, but it sort of makes sense in the (usually escalating) Young-Rush tug-of-autonomy... FOD!Rush is crazier than a bag of cats, and for some reason this bothers me less.
Yeah, I agree. The other thing, I think, is that even if FoD!Rush's craziness is dialed up, it's sort of amping up character traits that exist in the original (because even if canon!Rush isn't quite that crazy, he's... crazy enough), and that doesn't bother me -- like you say, fannish conditioning.
I kind of adore the AI. What can I say, I am a sucker for the romance of technology, or something? But yes, Young's attitude towards it was rather, um, speciesist? organicist?
I'd sort of been rooting for Young to pull himself together post-Destiny, but it's not that sort of story.
Well -- I see what you're saying -- but it is indeed so not that sort of story.
leavened by David Hewlett's comedic timing. I picked up that SGU S2 ep he was in, and I've got to say, when Rodney McKay of all people tells you that your plan isn't working, you dug a hole and jumped in it? Stop digging.
He indeed has great comedic timing -- I really enjoyed watching him. I certainly did get the impression he was... optimistic... from that episode.
Re: Force Over Distance
I don't think, as I said before, that Telford's characterization was really off for the backstory -- in fact it was probably pretty much on for early first season (with angst dialed up a notch, as always).
Speaking of angst, yes, I agree -- what fanfic likes to do, so I didn't really give it much of a thought until you asked about the characterization :)
she argued that it's not really slash (!) because there's too much plot relative to sex &/or romantic payoff.
While this made me laugh, I kind of see where she's coming from. I feel like when a fic is marked slash (or het, for that matter), the expectation is that it will be ALL romance/sex, ALL the time, and that the characters will have no interests other than the romance bit. It sort of irks me, especially on the AO3 -- I never know what to tag things. I'd probably categorize this one both M/M and gen if it were on AO3, because just M/M, I think, gives rise to a trope expectation that doesn't give sufficient weight to the amount of plot.
Agree (as does CWR) that Young/TJ makes no sense. I can sort of understand it in my head on TJ's side -- guy chasing her, insistently, won't take no for an answer, in a moment of weakness TJ gives in, comes to her senses a while later and gets the heck out -- anyone can make a mistake once, right? (I also sort of imagine TJ as a little too oversocialized, though maybe I'm projecting Ekaterin onto her -- I sort of picture Ekaterin as a lot like TJ only with darker hair.) Young, no idea. CWR thinks it might be that he wants the unattainable (he seems to be uninterested in TJ on the Destiny until another guy gets interested in her) which also would explain why he keeps being interested in Rush.
FOD!Young does get over the top, but it sort of makes sense in the (usually escalating) Young-Rush tug-of-autonomy... FOD!Rush is crazier than a bag of cats, and for some reason this bothers me less.
Yeah, I agree. The other thing, I think, is that even if FoD!Rush's craziness is dialed up, it's sort of amping up character traits that exist in the original (because even if canon!Rush isn't quite that crazy, he's... crazy enough), and that doesn't bother me -- like you say, fannish conditioning.
I kind of adore the AI. What can I say, I am a sucker for the romance of technology, or something? But yes, Young's attitude towards it was rather, um, speciesist? organicist?
I'd sort of been rooting for Young to pull himself together post-Destiny, but it's not that sort of story.
Well -- I see what you're saying -- but it is indeed so not that sort of story.
leavened by David Hewlett's comedic timing. I picked up that SGU S2 ep he was in, and I've got to say, when Rodney McKay of all people tells you that your plan isn't working, you dug a hole and jumped in it? Stop digging.
He indeed has great comedic timing -- I really enjoyed watching him. I certainly did get the impression he was... optimistic... from that episode.